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Wednesday, June 01, 2005

Resting (Slain?) in the Spirit

Last night Epiphany Church hosted Fr. Michael Walsh and his prayer team from St. Vincent de Paul's roman Catholic Church for a "Healing Service". Fr. Stace had indicated that this man was actually healing people in his own congregation, seemed down to earth, and straight as an arrow theologically. Fr. Walsh is an Irishman, priest for 45 years, a naturalized American citizen, and has a wee gift. Fr. Stace led the congregation in the Epiphany Healing service and Eucharist. Then, with little fanfare, Fr. Walsh began his portion of the service, after a few "rules". He mentioned "resting in the Spirit" and asked for a volunteer from our congregation to "help". Chris Sinclair, a vestry member and an ardent, growing Christian stepped up and joined one of Fr. Walsh's team. The first person who stood received a prayer from Fr. Walsh and promptly, smoothly, gently fell back , was caught and placed softly on the carpet in the front of the sanctuary, where he lay for about three minutes, recovered, was helped to his or her feet and was anointed with the sacrament for the sick.

Christ the King and Epiphany Church members took turns approaching Fr. Walsh for healing. I would estimate that about two-thirds fell back to rest on the carpet with their brothers and sisters. There were definitely several dramatic healings announced by those so affected, and by those who were not so affected. Glenda Gay and I prayed and stayed. We, too, had the "resting" experience.

Now thirty years of TM had me expecting an experience of transcendence. I was not fearful. But, "resting" is different. Transcendence is often described as an expansion of awareness. This was more like a covering in rest and peace, breathing very shallow and reduced but comfortable, an awareness of things around me unreduced, a definite suspension of the will to move, and a quiet space for prayers of adoration and gratitude. I saw no lights, though my internal vision seemed lighter somehow. I felt no sensations, except perhaps a "feeling" of being covered. I heard no music or bells or harps or anything out of the ordinary sounds of additional activity going on around me. The "resting" came on easily. The "falling" was without fear or care. I do remember nothing much of what was being said by the priest. I was praying myself a form of "Come Holy Spirit, fill my heart with your presence." Afterwards I felt "new". Although I had not asked for prayer for a very sore, arthritic knee that has had two surgeries, it too felt better. The aftertaste of the experience was also peace and restful.


So, here is a something new in my walk with the Lord. Praise Him.

18 Comments:

  • At 6:58 AM, June 03, 2005, Blogger voixd'ange said…

    I am very familiar with this. Exactly as you have described it.

     
  • At 5:20 PM, June 05, 2005, Blogger Unknown said…

    Yes. Both of your comments are appropriate. What is there to say? What are we to make of it? Gives one pause, at least.

    There was one more experience that I recalled today at church. After the "rest" I walked over to the west wall of the sanctuary, where there is an icon and some candles. I grew up lighting candles in the Roman Catholic church. I decided to light a candle for my children and grandchildren. As I walked up to the bank of candles, my thoughts were on the mechanics. Were there matches in those matchbooks? Which candles could be grouped to cover my brood? So, I solved these petty problems, lit a few candles, said my prayers for them, then looked up into the eyes of Christ...and fell into them. The icon looked three dimensional. The eyes were looking at and through me. The perspective had depth. Again, the peace of the Holy Spirit came upon me. Again, the freshness of my "new" feeling came to the fore. I don't know why I forgot about this. It is certainly vivid right now as I recall it.

    Hmmm, indeed.

     
  • At 7:14 PM, June 05, 2005, Blogger voixd'ange said…

    I had a similar experience when viewing a stained glass window exhibit at Navy Pier here in Chicago. One of the windows was a beautiful picture of Christ and I remember an almost irresistable urge to walk up and stroke His face. But the infilling of the Holy Spirit many times makes everything seem more vibrant. Thank God the infilling of his Holy Spirit is a continual process and not a one time thing!

     
  • At 11:59 PM, June 05, 2005, Blogger Constantine said…

    I, of course, suspend definitive judgment lest I “blaspheme” the Holy Spirit, but this kind of activity gives me great pause…and not the kind of pause that connotes, “Wow, His wonders never cease to amaze!” but instead pause of the sort that prompts me to ponder with deep caution and works within me to keep this kind of thing at what I’d call a healthy distance. I certainly don’t mean to disparage your experience Morpheus, and as you know, I have the greatest respect and fondness for Padre Neo (he knows of my reservations on this front), but “wonders” conjure many, many more questions for me than they answer.

    Here's a quote that resonates (to use a word the good Padre likes) with me: "What healing can we hope for in our suffering? The longing is for something magical, the quick fix, the miraculous touch or medicine, the dramatic release. And occasionally the miracle does happen. But it is clear too that...God is not a God of quick fixes and easy, instantaneous solutions." -David F. Ford (Regius Professor of Divinity at Cambridge University)

     
  • At 6:23 AM, June 06, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    The quote may resonate, but what is it resonating with. The good prof is not biblical in his observation. One of my favorite Acts passages is Peter and John seeing the man on the steps of the temple. Acts 3:

    Peter Heals the Crippled Beggar
    1One day Peter and John were going up to the temple at the time of prayer—at three in the afternoon. 2Now a man crippled from birth was being carried to the temple gate called Beautiful, where he was put every day to beg from those going into the temple courts. 3When he saw Peter and John about to enter, he asked them for money. 4Peter looked straight at him, as did John. Then Peter said, "Look at us!" 5So the man gave them his attention, expecting to get something from them.
    6Then Peter said, "Silver or gold I do not have, but what I have I give you. In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, walk." 7Taking him by the right hand, he helped him up, and instantly the man's feet and ankles became strong. 8He jumped to his feet and began to walk. Then he went with them into the temple courts, walking and jumping, and praising God. 9When all the people saw him walking and praising God, 10they recognized him as the same man who used to sit begging at the temple gate called Beautiful, and they were filled with wonder and amazement at what had happened to him.

    Looks like a quick fix to me!

    I have talked about this with Father Neo. I believe that the power of the Holy Spirit is able to overcome even our doubt about quick fixes. The moment when they ask him to look at them is an interesting pause. It is much like the pause Peter must have encountered just before he stepped out of the boat. Then and in this story, he went for it.

    When Jesus said to Peter elsewhere that he was the rock on which the church was to be built, I believe he was commenting on the passion he saw in Peter. Peter, who seemed foolish, was also able to step out of the boat. His courage, his passion, was what Jesus liked. God liked the same things about Moses and David.

    The teaching is: "When the time comes, get out of the boat!" The set up to this service was a bunch of prayers that invoked protection, asked for the marshalling of angels, and invoked the Armor of God. Worked for me. It was also obviously a place being prepared in the supernatural.

    This Monday is Cub Scouts. How about next Monday, June 13, here on my deck (2610 Fairfax St., 303-906-4532), Constantine. Angevoix, I think you are a little farther away from Park Hill in Denver, but you are also invited. Fr. Neo liked Mondays, I think. JHolder wanted Wednesday night. I'll see what they think.

    6:00 or 6:30 PM?

    Hey Angevoix. What is the photo?

     
  • At 7:18 AM, June 06, 2005, Blogger voixd'ange said…

    How I wish I was close to Denver! I was actually there last summer and loved it! Oh well...But the picture is from my profile, it shows whenever I post a comment. I like it because it is an Asian tradition to bow to people when you meet them to show that you reverence that were created in the image and likeness of God. It kind of reminds me of Christ washing the disciple's feet. For me it portrays either an attitude of service towards one's fellow man or prayer.
    I have been experiencing the infilling of the Holy Spirit for 20 years. I have never known it to be a quick fix, but rather a means of empowerment to live out my faith. Although I have as well experienced physical healing on numerous occasions.

     
  • At 5:41 PM, June 06, 2005, Blogger Constantine said…

    Thanks for the invite kc. It’s very generous of you to offer. Let me do some checking with the boss @ home and with my work schedule and I’ll get back to you. I hope to make it!

    As to the “slain” movement/experience in general, even if it is authentic, meaning Divine in origin (and I have my doubts), I just as soon have nothing to do with it. Remember a while back on Padre’s Blog when “end times” was the topic of discussion? I mentioned then that the whole enterprise, including the last book in our canon, is subject to abuse and absurdity. I carry the same suspicion regarding “wonders.” Here me correctly Morpheus. I’m NOT saying this is the case at the event you spoke of, but as for me I shall leave those experiences to others.

    Btw, I’m not anti-supernatural. The Anointing of the Sick as a Sacrament, prayers for healing and help, God’s gentle movement through intuition etc., I believe to be legitimate expressions of supernatural intervention. It is my belief and even experience (though I’m very careful to claim any of “my experiences” as of/from God for certain) that God works quietly and subtly, even appearing to be removed or distant, and as history bears witness He seems happy to remain a, if not the, Mystery, even by way of His actions. I’m speaking here not of exceptions, i.e. the parting of the Red Sea, your scriptural “proof texts,” et al, but of the normative human reality.

    It could be said, and maybe with some accuracy, that my lack of dramatic “God” experiences demonstrate I’m not “Spirit Filled,” and if so, then so be it.

     
  • At 11:57 AM, June 07, 2005, Blogger voixd'ange said…

    Constantine,
    I have been in "charasmatic" circles for most of my Christian walk. And I will be the first to admit that sometimes we can get off track, especially when the focus is directed towards the "wonders" and the supernatural, and off of the one working the wonders...namely Jesus. But after 20 years, I will tell you the honest truth. I don't take the supernatural for granted...but the real wonder is a changed life. The real wonder is an intimacy with God that is birth out of a sensitivity and submission to His Holy Spirit. the real wonder is a humility in His presence that enables us to move beyond what is comfortable and familiar to us.

     
  • At 11:58 AM, June 07, 2005, Blogger voixd'ange said…

    Please overlook my spelling errors, I'm in a rush and my spell check is defunct.

     
  • At 6:01 PM, June 07, 2005, Blogger Constantine said…

    Your comments Angevoix confirm my reticence. Allow me to say up front that you appear to be nothing less that warm and genuine and charitable. I enjoy your various posts and often glean insights from them. I do NOT question your sincerity, and who knows, maybe you’re right, but…

    When you say the “real wonder” is a “changed life,” “intimacy,” and “humility” all in the context of your “walk” in charismatic circles it immediately raises a red flag for me. What? Are those not realities a person can have outside of a hyperbolic experience that convinces me that I’m of the elect?? The context of a charismatic/full gospel experience and life that fosters and empowers our ability “to move beyond what is comfortable and familiar” is the very thing that sets me to wondering and wandering. I’ll tell you what is uncomfortable and unfamiliar to most everyone I know, especially me: trying to believe in and live out the Sermon on the Mount. So if I don’t raise my hands in worship, experience “signs and wonders,” and count on my feelings (I’m not altogether discounting feelings here, but a genre of feelings if you will) as the barometer for whether my “relationship” with the Lord is all it can be …then truly, truly I say unto myself, “God help me!” The inference of the “first class” Christian is unmistakable. Now, to be sure, God reveals himself to me in ways that certainly evoke emotion and passion, but they are invariably in the context of the world in which I live. I’m not a Gnostic (not saying you are either). Believe me, if feelings and emotion and “experiences” were the gold standard of a right and true and full “walk” with the Lord I would have long ago been a casualty of religion. Thank God (literally!) that’s not the case, at least in my estimation.

     
  • At 9:50 PM, June 07, 2005, Blogger voixd'ange said…

    Constantine --
    "What? Are those not realities a person can have outside of a hyperbolic experience that convinces me that I’m of the elect??"

    Yes! That's exactly what I was trying to say! My comments were meant to confirm what you were saying. Let me see if I can be a little more clear here. Having been in charismatic circles for so very very long, I know only so well what a big mistake it is to measure our spirituality or that of another by external manifestations. Yes, you most certainly can have a very deep walk with God and not raise your hands or anything else. And you can raise your hands and shout and do gymnastics during worship and have a totally superficial walk with God. And you can be Spirit filled and not even know it or the terminology...I was trying to acknowledge your reservations...I'm very sorry that I seem to have come across as saying the opposite. What I'm trying to do is to acknowledge the mistakes that charismatics make, without discrediting the experience itself. Over the past 20 years, I promise you I have seen it all...But you don't throw out the baby with the bath water. The initial thrill with encounters with the supernatural can be overwhelming, and at times if we aren't careful they can become the center of our focus.And yes, there can be a tremendous attitude of "superiority" among some charismatics...and I totally abhor it. But regardless of all of the mistakes we charismatics make, all the ways we mess up, I wouldn't give up my "charismatic" ways for anything... I know what it has brought to my own life and walk. But we always have to remember...Jesus always admonished us to judge a person by their fruit, not their gifts.

     
  • At 11:12 PM, June 07, 2005, Blogger Constantine said…

    Angevoix,

    Please, no need to apologize. As I said earlier, you demonstrate a charitable spirit. Now that is a virtue worth acquiring and developing. One among many where it would behoove me to better practice what I preach. Dialogue can become a key that unlocks doors and barriers to understanding, unity, even agreement. At a minimum, conversation plants the seed of mutual respect. I bow back to you Angevoix. I guess I’ve been watching too much boxing as of late and it’s put me in a fighting mode. :) I’m looking to Seraph to spar with me some and help me get it out of my system for a spell. We’ll see if he signs up. I appreciate your elaborations. However, my extreme caution, even doubt candidly, remains as to this subject, but I thank you for your generous response. Indeed, fruit not gifts. With that you have my full acquiescence.

    I have a few honest, not rhetorical, questions for you. Given your “tenure” in charismatic circles have you ever discovered in your experience, even upon reflection in hindsight, that what was taken for the supernatural was more likely a function of autosuggestion? Could it be said, from your experience, that an environment of expectation serves to “prime the pump” so to speak?

     
  • At 12:40 AM, June 08, 2005, Blogger voixd'ange said…

    Well....expectation is something that is talked about quite a bit with the emphasis placed that it is focused on God. I would be very hesitant to put more faith in the power of "mind over matter" than the power of the Holy Spirit.Especially if the mind in question is my own! Ha Ha! But although I try to focus more on the Miracle Worker than the miracles, I have experienced things that are very dramatic.

     
  • At 12:57 AM, June 08, 2005, Blogger Constantine said…

    Angevoix said, "I have experienced things that are very dramatic."

    Like what?

     
  • At 1:32 AM, June 08, 2005, Blogger voixd'ange said…

    You would wouldn't you...I was hoping you wouldn't ask me that question. Normally I'm not awake this hour of the night...but I have experienced instantaneous healings on more than one occasion. In one case I was x-rayed and diagnosed with heel spurs in both feet. I was healed instantly one evening and went out and ran two miles the next day. I've never had them since. Things of that nature, and then just direction of the Holy Spirit that you know is more than coincidence...Having prophetic dreams about situations in the lives of others that I have no knowledge of and then finding out that is what is going on in their lives. Its on many different levels.Super natural provision...I'm going to sleep now, I swear...

     
  • At 10:48 AM, June 08, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Late nighters, huh.

    I am reading C.S. Lewis Dangerous Idea: In Defense of the Argument from Reason. But, in my reading I'm thinking of his other book Miracles and these posts. Constantine is leary of the supernatural, dreading to be either duped or finding spirits there, I believe. He also wants to avoid a litmus test for the "purity" of anyone's faith and the effectiveness of his or her walk. Angevoix has been "in the Spirit" and come out unscathed, even healed. Her humility is as beautiful as her Oriental personnae, bowing demurely from these pages. I could be the bridge. This is exactly one of those conversations that has to leave this site and go to a dark, cool deck with dark, cool Guiness. Don't think you are being excluded, Angevoix. You will be there fully and we will report back. Are you coming, Constantine? JHolder is. Morpheus is. Fr. Neo also looks promising.

     
  • At 11:40 AM, June 08, 2005, Blogger voixd'ange said…

    Merci,Morpheus!

     
  • At 11:54 AM, June 08, 2005, Blogger Constantine said…

    Morpheus,

    I’m glad to report that it appears (95% certain) that I’ll be able to “board” your deck this coming Monday. I hope to be there around 6:30ish. Is that o.k.? I’ll bring some bottles of Guinness for those who wish to partake. They aren’t as good as when on tap, but not bad for such a royal treat. They have this funny little device in them that rattles around in the bottle that supposedly helps to make it more akin to its tap version. Go figure. Btw, you assessed my concerns fairly accurately. It’s not the full picture by any means of my reservations, but nonetheless an astute observation. So…if Seraph attends I hope you have some experience refereeing in the “squared circle.” :) J/k!! No worries. I know him a tad bit and he’s mostly harmless. Mostly. ;)

    Angevoix,

    Thanks again for your willingness to engage in conversation, especially one that entails a subject that seems to facilitate more rifts than unity. You’re responses were thought provoking and interesting. We shall meet up again. I’m sure of it! :)
    v.c.d. (Vaya con Dios)

     

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