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Loin Girders

A passionate orthodox Christian man's occasional blog to support those who stand firm. Gird your loins, noble warriors for Christ.

Monday, August 08, 2005

From Touchstone: Mere Comments section.
The YMCA?
Recently we've been discussing on this site the feminization of American men, especially in the American churches. I wonder whether we're using the wrong word.
Let's suppose that "feminization" describes what happens not when you actively pursue a policy of turning boys into girls, but when you indolently neglect to try to turn boys into men. A better word might then be "emasculation," with the caveat that you are not cutting off what has made someone a man already: you are failing to provide what would make a man a man in the first place.
The implications are crucial. I am suggesting that it is a foolish dream to say, "We ought to stop encouraging our boys to be like girls, and ought instead to hold before them examples of manliness," unless you are willing to back encouragement up with traditions, customs, institutions. Manhood needs to be won; it does not steal upon you while your body develops. That cannot happen regularly unless boys are for a time trained by men, apart from the company of girls. The old Boys Clubs of America were founded for that purpose -- they took the street toughs and tried to train them up in civic virtue, giving them also skills for men's jobs (woodworking, auto mechanics). Now those clubs are co-ed, which means that you do not take in the street toughs (how can you have such, around women and little children?); they are day-camps and summer kindergartens. The YMCA is no longer Christian, nor for the Young, nor for Men.
Show me where a troubled boy in the United States can now go to learn to become a man. Maybe the Boy Scouts -- and yet even they now, in a partial capitulation to stupidity, allow women to be scoutmasters. The Knights of Columbus? Show me where. And if the boy does grow up to be a man, show me the institution wherein he can exercise that manhood freely, speaking his mind and using his judgment to sever right from wrong, wise from foolish. A university? The town council? I say it again: the reason why we do not develop manhood in our boys is not that we are afraid we might fail, and turn them into louts and bullies. We fail now, and our streets are full of louts and bullies. We are afraid we might succeed.

The above text is from a website called Touchstone: A Journal of Mere Christianity. There is a blog there called Mere Comments. This is today's blog.

Those of you who know me well know that I carry a card that says "Become a Dangerous Man for Christ!" I believe that Men's Ministry is vital today that that most of society's ills are associated with the problem listed here. Boys 2 Men is the name of a musical group, but a rare occurrence.

More later.

16 Comments:

  • At 9:34 AM, August 09, 2005, Blogger Dan Trabue said…

    Then you'd probably hate the Dar Williams song, "When I Was a Boy" about a woman lamenting how she used to be fearless and daring, but had that kind of behavior taught out of her.

    She concludes with this surprising verse:
    And like the woods where I would creep, it's a secret I can keep
    Except when I'm tired, except when I'm being caught off guard
    I've had a lonesome awful day, the conversation finds its way
    To catching fire-flies out in the backyard.
    And I tell the man I'm with about the other life I lived
    And I say now you're top gun, I have lost and you have won
    And he says, "Oh no, no, can't you see
    When I was a girl, my mom and I we always talked
    And I picked flowers everywhere that I walked.
    And I could always cry, now even when I'm alone I seldom do
    And I have lost some kindness
    But I was a girl too.
    And you were just like me, and I was just like you.

     
  • At 2:06 PM, August 09, 2005, Blogger Unknown said…

    I'm not much for sexual ambivalence, though I know it is trendy. I'm for men and women being fully what God made them to be. This article is about neglecting to teach men to be men and expecting women to be women. Manhood is difficult to achieve without patterning. When fathers are not at home, or have abandoned their sons, all hell (literally) breaks loose. The poem is clever, but skirts (sic) the issue.

     
  • At 9:23 AM, August 10, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Somebody's read John Eldredges', "Wild at Heart" more then once. Not a bad idea, actually.

     
  • At 10:39 AM, August 10, 2005, Blogger voixd'ange said…

    Although I would like full equality in the job market and behind the pulpit, I also "resonate" (hee, hee) with what you are saying about sexual ambivalence. I want men to be all men and as a woman, I want to be all woman, and celebrate it! I don't understand why it seems that in our society the two are seen as mutually exlusive...
    But also in reference to your comment, "Maybe the Boy Scouts -- and yet even they now, in a partial capitulation to stupidity, allow women to be scoutmasters." My mother and other moms that I knew became scoutmasters because there were simply no men willing to do it. Sad but true. Of course the ideal situation would have been to have a man in that position...

     
  • At 7:01 PM, August 10, 2005, Blogger Unknown said…

    Yes Anonymous, I did. In fact, men's ministry is my thing, fully. I said I'd get back here to add more. The piece you read was posted in Mere Comments section of the Touchstone website. I am grandfather/parent to a seven year old boy who lives with his mother and my wife in my house. He is delightful, but ALL BOY. My Mom raised me and my brother from 7th grade on without a man in the house. She and my two aunts and my grandmother did the best that they could, but the absence of a father to pattern on and to wrestle against was a deep hole in my youth. It made me hypersensitive to this issue. So, I appreciate deeply the role that women play in standing in for absent fathers, but I am also dedicated to the lost men, isolated from each other and from their Father in heaven.

    We live in an ambivalent time, which has questioned the viability of "gender" enough to confuse a whole generation. Yet I have seen masculinity awakened in men raised to subdue it and it is magnificent. It needs channeling, but it is a great power to be used for good or evil in life. It has been said that man fully alive is the glory of God, by Iraneus I think. John Eldredge is a seer who has communicated this to Christian men. I attended one of his weekends in Colorado the fall of 2001. I had already been pursuing men's ministry, first through secular men's work then through Promise Keeper's events, then with John Eldredge's help, through men's groups in the church. Our men's program is one of the great successes of the church, not because of its size but because of its passion.

    I am also a student and colleague of Dan Schaffer of Building Brothers Ministries. Dan, and early PK founder, has spent nearly twenty-five years in this pursuit. His central tenet is that the church can only grow through reproduction, therefore the church must assist in the development of spiritual fathers and mothers, capable of generating passionate followers of Christ from their essence, not from "programs", but from passion. I'm there.

    I might say a lot here about how this works, if you will indulge me. Not tonight, though. I've a meeting to attend.

    At John Eldredge's weekend we were encouraged to ask God, our Father, for what purpose he had created us and what our "name" was, known to him. In a day of mountain reflection and bible study I found my name. It is Defender of the Fatherless. No one but my best friends know it, but I ask God each morning on my knees to help me fulfill the role he has given me as Defender of the Fatherless. My sense of purpose and certainty that this is who I am are powerful, foundational, essential. I am very thankful to Our Heavenly Father that he showed me this path. It fits me well.

    More on Eldredge soon. He has a new book out that is wonderful, a distilled message of the central spirit of Christianity: Epic. It is available from his web site for $6 a copy, hardbound. His website is www.ransomedheart.com.

     
  • At 1:48 PM, August 11, 2005, Blogger fatherneo said…

    Maybe the local church is the place. There is at least one I know of...

     
  • At 5:20 PM, August 11, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Neo,

    What a treat! I'm honored by the visit.

    Morph.

     
  • At 10:49 AM, August 17, 2005, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    You war mongering misogynist!

     
  • At 10:57 AM, August 18, 2005, Blogger Dan Trabue said…

    It's been a while, but a quick follow up. Kevin said:
    "I'm not much for sexual ambivalence"
    in response to my posting of the Williams' song. Is that to suggest that picking flowers, crying and being kind are only female characteristics? Or that playing roughly, being brave and strong are only male characteristics?

    I think not.

     
  • At 10:22 AM, August 19, 2005, Blogger Unknown said…

    No. Men can smell flowers and weep, but those are feminine characteristics, not masculine. I don't think we have a problem with men getting in touch with their feminine side. It's their masculine side they can't get any support for. C. S. Lewis referred to men with empty chests. That is, their heart is not passionate to being the man they were created to be.

    Quick read of the month? Epic by John Eldredge. Hardback, 109 pages in small format. Read it sitting in the bookstore or library.

    Welcome Sheila Jo.

     
  • At 10:55 AM, August 19, 2005, Blogger Dan Trabue said…

    Kevin, how in the world is smelling flowers and weeping feminine? Jesus wept over Jerusalem, you calling Jesus a girly man?

    I've tried reading eldredge (I've a more conservative brother who gave me a book). Couldn't take it - testosterone overload. Had to shave my back after the first chapter.

     
  • At 11:08 AM, August 19, 2005, Blogger Unknown said…

    Yeah, I bet all that bothersome back hair can make it hard to hook your bra!

    I have a hard time with "sweet" Jesus. I don't know him. He makes me uncomfortable. I follow the carpenter, the angry temple purger, the friend who insisted on accountability, the brave man who died on the cross.

    I show emotion all the time, but I don't consider it a masculine or a Christian trait, as a man, to weep. I also don't consider it "wrong" to have feminine traits. My lament here is about a cultural environment that devalues masculine traits, and idealizes feminine ones...for men. Right now, it is difficult in polite discourse to even use the word "man". People draw back from it. They prefer the word "male". I am a man; my masculine character attributes are God's creation and joy. I am called to help men find their way back into the church, not by becoming better at sharing or weeping, but by understanding that they were created with "wild" hearts because masculinity is needed by God. Testosterone exists for many very good reasons. Wildness of heart is for a reason, too. I suspect that it is God's nature. It was definitely Jesus' nature.

     
  • At 11:56 PM, August 19, 2005, Blogger Constantine said…

    Good back and forth commentary. Interesting discussion. Kevin--I almost fell out of my chair laughing over your bra comment.

     
  • At 5:57 PM, August 20, 2005, Blogger Unknown said…

    Hey Constantine,
    When are we going to sip and quip again? It is past-time. Incidently, do you play golf? How about next Monday? Open to meet on my deck? If so, I'll muster the troops.

     
  • At 11:38 PM, August 23, 2005, Blogger Constantine said…

    What time next Monday?

     
  • At 1:28 PM, August 24, 2005, Blogger Unknown said…

    After 6 PM, or when you get there. Holder will be late, if at all. We will have an Orthodox Priest and his Sub-Deacon as special guests. I drank your left-over Guiness. I have some Coors, though.

     

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